tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post511378519792852091..comments2024-03-28T08:34:32.401+01:00Comments on Out and About with Mary Kay: The tragic history of the Camondo family - Nissim de Camondo Museum (Part 1)Mary Kay Bossharthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08790841060667671034noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-56746431737211797732021-09-24T19:14:01.076+02:002021-09-24T19:14:01.076+02:00Greeting! My name is Joseph Commando and I am very...Greeting! My name is Joseph Commando and I am very curious to know if this is my missing family. Please e-mail me @intellibrightfilms@gmail.com Thank you. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09517380952930705065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-80348297893349111382018-12-27T18:03:52.898+01:002018-12-27T18:03:52.898+01:00Louise Cahen d'Anvers, who is the golden-haire...Louise Cahen d'Anvers, who is the golden-haired lover of Charles Ephrussi (as is described in The Hare with the Amber Eyes) is the mother of Irene Cahen d'Anvers, the wife of Moise de Camondo. Through Charles, Renoir depicted all three of Louises children: Elisabeth and Alice in the double portrait mentioned here above, and Irene in a beautiful solo portrait. <br /><br />I do think Beatrice converted to Catolicism (I believe it was said in the museum's exhibition, and it can be found in various books) Maybe like her mother Irene, who also converted to Catholicism upon her marriage to Sampieri. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-41193927127027372932018-07-20T01:19:40.899+02:002018-07-20T01:19:40.899+02:00Yes, that is what I have been asking also. Aside f...Yes, that is what I have been asking also. Aside from the objets d'art in the Musee Camondo, what happened to their bank accounts, cash, house near Nice, etc.? And how did the family home by Parc Monceau survive thru the Nazi-Vichy realm?Joan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06115626858824595218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-46709737949282903132017-10-24T02:44:53.601+02:002017-10-24T02:44:53.601+02:00Apologies, that should read "Dreyfus Affair.&...Apologies, that should read "Dreyfus Affair."Therese Rickman Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07298721063374124810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-32108360518208826622017-10-24T02:41:36.547+02:002017-10-24T02:41:36.547+02:00Very well said Lawrence Rosencrantz. The echoes of...Very well said Lawrence Rosencrantz. The echoes of anti-semitism that under-pinned the Dreyful affair were still to be heard and felt in the lead-up to WW Two, with the result that Vichy French police collaborated with their Nazi over-lords, rounding up Jewish children and adults and deporting them. Many perished in Hitler's concentration camps. Sadly, anti-semitism still persists today in France and elsewhere.Therese Rickman Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07298721063374124810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-12988555133300944602014-09-25T19:37:32.838+02:002014-09-25T19:37:32.838+02:00I have never heard of an explanation as to what e...I have never heard of an explanation as to what ever happen to the wealth of the Comondo family after WW11 ?john cokosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-28617981373202348062014-04-08T19:31:57.680+02:002014-04-08T19:31:57.680+02:00Far too little is made of the willingness of the F...Far too little is made of the willingness of the French to collaborate with the Nazis in "The Final Solution." While countries like Hungary tried to shield their Jews, the French bureaucracy, and notably the French police, actively sought out its Jews, stripped them of their possessions and rights, imprisoned and deported them to the slaughter that was Auschwitz-Birkenau. What makes the Camondo story all the more poignant was that this family gave so much to France, including the life of Moise's beloved son, Nissim. It was no wonder that Beatrice did not heed her husband's warning. How could she believe that her country of birth, the country to which her family had donated priceless art and support, and who counted Parisian aristocracy as among her friends, could be in any danger of betrayal.<br /><br />It is no small coincidence that on the travel site Tripadvisor almost all of the contributors giving negative reviews of the Musee are French. The Musee Nissim Camondo is more than a museum, more than a collection of art. It bears testimony to the depth of prejudice, resentment and inhumanity that finds expression even now.Lawrence Rosencrantzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798103930191834353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-85273236800540687082014-02-02T20:07:01.591+01:002014-02-02T20:07:01.591+01:00Thanks for leaving a comment, Mary Lynn. As it has...Thanks for leaving a comment, Mary Lynn. As it has been awhile since I wrote this post, I had to go back and check my notes about Beatrice's conversion to Catholicism. It's something that the guide told us when we visited the museum. Usually, I fact check what guides say because they occasionally have their facts wrong. In this case, I didn't because the guide has a Ph.D in art history and always does a lot of research prior to her tours. Can you please direct me to a website with more information about Beatrice de Camondo's religion? According to Wikipedia, which is admittedly not the best source, she converted to Catholicism:<br /><br />A convert to Catholicism, Beatrice Camondo Reinach felt safe in Paris after the Nazi occupation. Divorced from her Jewish husband Leon Reinach, she believed her wealth and the influential people she rode horses with in the Parc Monceau would shield her from being taken. In the Musee Nissim Camondo, on the top floor, is a letter from her ex-husband telling Beatrice to leave Paris with their son and daughter. She disregarded his advice. In 1943 Beatrice, her two children and ex-husband Leon were arrested, taken to Drancy and eventually perished in Auschwitz. In 1943, under the German occupation of France during World War II, Béatrice, her husband and their two children were forcibly removed from their Paris home and taken to the Drancy deportation camp north of the city. From there, they were deported to Auschwitz concentration camp where they were all killed.[1][2][3] <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9atrice_Reinach<br /><br />Also, thank you for the information about Elisabeth Cahen d'Anvers. I didn't know that she's the little girl with the blue sash in Renoir's painting!Mary Kay Bossharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790841060667671034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-43470480095292800002014-01-22T10:51:50.174+01:002014-01-22T10:51:50.174+01:00Nice to read your blog about the Musee Nissim de C...Nice to read your blog about the Musee Nissim de Camando. Just a little correction: Beatrice de Camando did not convert to Catholicism. You may be confusing her with her aunt, Elisabeth de Forceville, born Elisabeth Cahen d'Anvers who was deported and died somewhere between Drancy and Auschwitz despite the fact that she had converted to Catholicism some fifty years before. Note that Elisabeth is the little girl with the blue sash in Renoir's famous double portrait known as "Pink and Blue" paintind in 1881.Mary Lynn Rileynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-31898423368763548062013-10-21T11:56:44.046+02:002013-10-21T11:56:44.046+02:00So sad....So sad....Matty Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00331043509133730630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-71753089145027825512012-02-05T10:59:15.500+01:002012-02-05T10:59:15.500+01:00"So many margaritas to finish"...It soun..."So many margaritas to finish"...It sounds like you had a rough vacation. ;)<br /><br />I'm happy you're back home!Mary Kay Bossharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790841060667671034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-33729331591518228242012-02-04T18:55:07.710+01:002012-02-04T18:55:07.710+01:00That is all very kind, thank you.
It was challe...That is all very kind, thank you. <br /><br /> It was challenging to keep up with the blogging world there--so many turtles to save, so many margaritas to finish. And the town was just wonderful, I'm still marveling at the adventure.<br /><br />I'm looking forward to the future post on the museum's furnishing, really interested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-65176753856186660072012-02-03T19:47:26.395+01:002012-02-03T19:47:26.395+01:00Big hugs, Joseph!!! I've missed you! Other peo...Big hugs, Joseph!!! I've missed you! Other people have as well. My family asked in a rather accusing tone what I had done to upset you. When I explained that you were traveling, they didn't really believe me.<br /><br />You were in my thoughts while I was visiting the museum because there are so many items that you would like. I was actually waiting to do the post about the collection until you got back. There are a couple of tables with Sevres porcelain on the top. One "plate" even detaches from the top of the table so that it can be used as a tray.<br /><br />OK, I'm going to go see if you've updated your blog. I look forward to reading about your adventures in Mexico.<br /><br />My blogging world feels "right" again! :)Mary Kay Bossharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790841060667671034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-29404031117606651192012-02-03T19:29:33.654+01:002012-02-03T19:29:33.654+01:00It truly is a poignant story. I don't know if ...It truly is a poignant story. I don't know if it's because our guide told us about the Camondo family before our visit, but I felt as if the museum is also tinged with sadness, not that it in any way detracts from the experience.Mary Kay Bossharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790841060667671034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-83545573515692778852012-02-03T19:26:46.698+01:002012-02-03T19:26:46.698+01:00If you like decorative arts and want to feel as if...If you like decorative arts and want to feel as if you're stepping back in time, I highly recommend this museum. Plus, if the weather is nice, you can combine it with a stroll through Parc Monceau.<br /><br />I'll have to add Le Flaneur to my list of "must read" books.Mary Kay Bossharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790841060667671034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-43538193524656196312012-02-03T19:22:21.340+01:002012-02-03T19:22:21.340+01:00Thanks for visting and leaving a comment, Karen! I...Thanks for visting and leaving a comment, Karen! I'm both interested and intrigued by your Jewish History tour of the Marais. I'm going to send you an email now.Mary Kay Bossharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790841060667671034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-20580591345803235722012-02-03T16:38:42.791+01:002012-02-03T16:38:42.791+01:00An interesting history. And I love that desk!
I ...An interesting history. And I love that desk!<br /><br />I just caught up with your posts--I had really missed them. Good to be back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-30831526218812925572012-02-03T12:08:26.714+01:002012-02-03T12:08:26.714+01:00How painfully sad.
I shall out for those books yo...How painfully sad. <br />I shall out for those books you mention.Stephhttp://www.bloginfrance.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-8532679527657087662012-02-03T11:42:28.350+01:002012-02-03T11:42:28.350+01:00I've had this museum on my list since reading ...I've had this museum on my list since reading about it in 'Le Flaneur' (E. White). After reading your post we'll move it higher on the list!<br /><br />Take care and thanks for the great info and photos.CarolynBhttp://www.mysydneyparislife.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1053563546908229556.post-11112682522212487392012-02-03T00:53:59.553+01:002012-02-03T00:53:59.553+01:00Hi Mary Kay,
First time reader, and I'm really...Hi Mary Kay,<br />First time reader, and I'm really loving your blog and your pictures (gorgeous). My company (a small walking tour company) offers a Jewish History tour of the Marais, which might interest you in conjunction with this article! I would very much love to welcome you on one of my tours, so please send me an email if you are at all interested or intrigued (karenrebrudel @ gmaii.com). Keep up the good bloggin'! KarenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com